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Corsa 2001, 1.4 16v 14xe - Knock Sensor??

Hi all,

Have got a few dead cars in at the moment:

First one is a Corsa, XE14, 2001 year:

Was brought into me with the owner saying it needed a new fuel pump... upon checking, the pump is whiring and am getting pressure upto the fuel rail..

Problem with it is that it seems to start 'ok', but it doesnt rev at all, heats up really quick.
Done a number of basic check - the job is a 'cheapy' so havent invested a huge amount of time in it:

When you touch the accelerator, it goes flat and finally cuts out: holding your hand over the throttle body: its blowing air *out* (ie timings not right)

So connected up the (nice new and shiney) SPi to it and what i am reading is that the 'Knock Control' is going 'on' as soon as the pedal is touched.

Connected up my ELM scanner to it and the ECU is retarding the ignition  :s

Theres no codes logged.

Soooo what would you guys think it would be:
Dodgy knock sensor?
Dodgy Fuel?
Dodgy injector?
Or the fuel pressure going off?

Any thoughts?

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: Corsa 2001, 1.4 16v 14xe - Knock Sensor??

Dave,

if the fuel pump is "whiring" thats where i would be starting,have you got a scope if so check the amps ramp,have you got fuel pressure test guage if so check pressure&also dead head test,the knock sensor is probably picking up the incorrect combustion.

Rob.

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Re: Corsa 2001, 1.4 16v 14xe - Knock Sensor??

From what you have said it is possible that the exhaust is blocked. I would suggest removing the (front) lambda sensor and see if it will rev up better. It will be noisy!

Knock control will be actuated if the above condition is present.

If not the fault I would check the valve timing.

Merv the Swerv.


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Re: Corsa 2001, 1.4 16v 14xe - Knock Sensor??

Hey Rob:

Yeah the pump is making its normal noise:
Fuel pressure: yep its coming upto pressure..(though cant remember *exactly* what, and am not near my notes on it) came up a lot better/faster after i replaced the fuel filter....

Havent pinched the return pipe yet smile - What should i be expecting - twice the normal operating pressure?

Looking at the car: it does seem to have some history: a lot of the wiring corugated sleeving is missing.. a bad omen!

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: Corsa 2001, 1.4 16v 14xe - Knock Sensor??

Hi Merv:

Thanks for your reply:
Did check the cam timing.. that is ok (according to the pullys)

The live data from my ELM reader was saying that the timing figures were retarded coming from the ECU (10degs retarded+).. its not as if the ecu is thinking its sending 20degs advance, but in reality its not.

Interesting thought about the exhaust - it does have a chavbox fitted on the back, customer said it happened pretty quick (like an electrical issue) rather than a progressive deterioration....
Will see how that lambda sensor come out smile

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: Corsa 2001, 1.4 16v 14xe - Knock Sensor??

Dave,

somewhere around 80 psi

Rob.

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Re: Corsa 2001, 1.4 16v 14xe - Knock Sensor??

Dave,

if you have an infra red thermometer check exh temp in/out of the cat anything over 10/20% difference cat blocked,dnt quote me on the percentage figures tho because that is from the back of my memory,use your initiative on it !!

Rob.

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Re: Corsa 2001, 1.4 16v 14xe - Knock Sensor??

Cheers guys smile

am hesitant to think its the knock sensor.. as, well, i've never known one go without logging a code. yikes

Unless of course that the thing is loose... that could be upsetting it..

I need to get under it i think... see what its doing... happy days!


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Re: Corsa 2001, 1.4 16v 14xe - Knock Sensor??

well an update on this:

Cos it was quick and easy, i replaced the fuel pump and pressure regulator... No different
Drianed what little fuel there was and put some fresh in... no different


So: disconnected the knock sensor: no code logged and car mis-behaves the same...ie it starts, idles, then via viewing the live data the 'Knock Control' triggers when you start doing anything with the accelerator...

Odd that the knock control is triggering when the knock sensor is disconnected.. even removed the sensor completly.. Yet the 'Knock Control = on' still comes up as soon as you try to rev the thing up.

On the bench: i'm getting nothing out of the sensor.. certainly no voltage spike if its tapped, and measuring its resistance its open circuit.

Next on the shopping list then is a replacement knock sensor i reckon!.

Seems that the management system doesnt trigger a code, it seems to set the idle ignition timing to around 0degs and as soon as you try to rev up the knock control activates and the ignition retards more and the engine goes 'phut'

Watch this space....


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Re: Corsa 2001, 1.4 16v 14xe - Knock Sensor??

Are you absolutely sure the exhaust is not partially blocked?

I only say this because other inputs (MAF or MAP, Throttle position in respect to engine speed etc) might fool the ECU into thinking the engine is under a heavy load when you rev it up. I have always found the testing of a knock sensor very difficult and I remember when they were first fitted on Rovers, you could only get a signal from them by striking the block neer the sensor with a small spanner. Rover said you should use a 10mmm one!

Some Vauxhall system will log a fault code (something like 'excessive engine knock') if the oil level is low. Some Volvos and others do produce a fault code if the knock sensor is faulty/not fitted correctly etc.

I hope this help.

Merv the Swerv.


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